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01:35  11 november  2017
01:35  11 november  2017 Source:   roadandtrack.com

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SASHIMONO: THE BANNERS WORN BY WARRIORS. In the mael-strom of battle in feudal Japan, foot soldiers would bear the mark of the clan, while an elite samurai might carry his own insignia. So it is, centuries later, that three ronin arrived at a lonely back road branded with symbols of legend: Z, STI, and Type R.

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It’s the last that called for this showdown. Forbidden fruit in America for 20 years, the Civic Type R has finally landed, carrying not only a burden of expectation for Honda fans, but the pride of a nation. With the Lancer Evolution defunct, a new Toyota Supra still potentially years away, and the RX-9 little more than a fervent wish, the Type R is the most exciting new affordable performance car to come out of Japan in recent memory (notwithstanding the fact that it’s manufactured in England). It’s a heavy load for any hatchback, especially one theoretically hamstrung by an economy car’s front-wheel-drive layout.

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2018 Focus RS over the 3 in that comparison video for me. Subaru will just blow up. I highly regard the Honda, but couldn't go from my current FWD hot hatch to yet 370 z and Sti both looks better and has faster straight line acceleration plus Rwd/awd vs fwd. Has any of you seen Civic Type R in person?

Excellent and visually beautiful comparo pitting the 2017 Civic Type R versus the 2018 STI and 2018 370 Z ! I'm just waiting for the big match. RS vs CTR. Can't wait to see focus fans cry.

To test its mettle, two legendary brawlers emerged in the R’s wake. Nissan, Subaru, and Honda are all powerful rival factions, the daimyo of modern times, each pushing waves of crossovers across the Pacific. Each also has a champion, a low-volume machine that represents the martial spirit of the brand.

  2017 Type R vs 2018 370Z vs 2018 STI © DW

With the 370Z, it’s the koryū, the old school: rear-wheel drive, engine up front, and a legacy stretching back a half century. The Z is the first Japanese sports car most American enthusiasts took seriously.

Next, the dream of the Nineties is alive in Subaru, with the rally-stage-special WRX STI. Big wing, scoop on the hood, all-wheel drive, and blue paint to match the gravel-shredding factory racing team. All an owner needs is a “555” hat and a T-shirt with Colin McRae’s face on it. And some mud on the fenders.

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Three different ways of getting power to the ground, three blades unsheathed in the name of corporate honor. In Hagakure, the early 18th-century guide to Bushido, samurai Yamamoto Tsunetomo wrote, “If you are slain in battle, you should be resolved to have your corpse facing the enemy.” So be it.

  2017 Type R vs 2018 370Z vs 2018 STI © DW BurnettTHE ROAD

A KNOTTY, HUNCHBACKED roller coaster of two-lane runs east of Notre-Dame-de-la-Merci, Quebec. The tarmac varies in quality from smooth to scaly, and there’s occasional gravel in the apexes. Blind crests abound.

Quebec seems a strange battlefield for Far Eastern machines. But the broken lakes and hilly country of the Laurentian Mountains make for great driving. It’s where Canadian F1 great Gilles Villeneuve honed his skills. The backdrop is more canoe-paddling voyageur than koi pond, but as a measuring stick to rap the knuckles of half-hearted engineering, the place is hard to beat.

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The Type R shows this road no mercy. Turn-in is sharp and immediate. Variable-ratio steering quickens as lock increases. The key suspension change is a dual-axis front-suspension setup. No, it’s not the double wishbone that made autocross champions of early Honda shoeboxes, it’s a strut with a special steering knuckle that changes the steering geometry to avoid torque steer. That, combined with the standard helical limited-slip differential, means the Type R is able to put down power everywhere. Patience on the throttle at corner exit is hardly required. I experiment getting on it earlier and earlier, and the Type R simply slingshots out every time. On-center feel isn’t lively, but the Honda dispatches the rougher sections without tugging at the wheel. No torquey, front-drive econobox should feel this ruthlessly precise.

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“Honda” and “torquey,” are words not generally found in the same sentence. The company’s high-performance four-cylinders have historically been jewel-like masterpieces with screaming redlines, but many of them would be hard-pressed to twist the lid off a pickle jar.

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The Type R’s heart, built in the United States, is infused with two very American traditions. First, it gets a real low-end surge, some 295 lb-ft from 2500 rpm. It makes a strong first impression, like a firm handshake, and also makes the Type R more tractable in traffic than high-strung Hondas of old. The second tradition is sandbagging. The turbocharged 2.0-liter is supposed to produce 306 hp at 6500 rpm. Independent dyno tests on customer-delivered cars show the Type R making near 300 hp at the wheels. Somewhere on cloud nine, Soichiro Honda and legendary cheater Smokey Yunick are sharing a hearty chuckle and a high-five.

  2017 Type R vs 2018 370Z vs 2018 STI © DW Burnett

If only the Type R’s exterior designers had been so coy. The Civic has been rendered nearly unrecognizable with a spoiler, hood scoop, front splitter, fender vents, roof vanes, winglets, and a three-pipe center exhaust that apes an F40’s. Honda says each element is functional, but the overall effect is visual dubstep.

At least the car doesn’t ride like a tuner special. Despite 20-inch wheels and front spring rates that are twice as stiff as a Civic hatchback’s, the Type R feels livable even on Montreal’s beaten roads, provided the electronically controlled dampers are set to Comfort. Credit, in part, the standard Civic’s unibody. Honda claims the Civic hatchback is already quite rigid, and it feels so, but the Type R is even more stout, thanks to structural adhesives at several stress points.

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Heavily bolstered seats are also very comfortable, and the practical hatchback cargo area isn’t compromised by a strut-tower brace or other bolt-on accessory of dubious worth. If it didn’t look like something out of a Fast & Furious movie directed by Michael Bay, you could call the Type R sensible.

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By the time I meet with our photo team, which arrives in the STI, I’m as gobsmacked by the Type R’s performance as I am by its looks. As we head back onto the road for a little sunset photography, the Subaru has its work cut out.

Pulling away in the STI, the crunch of gravel under the tires and that offbeat boxer burble bring an instant grin to my face. I’ve owned a couple of Subaru hatchbacks with the boost cranked up, and I can’t help but immediately love the STI’s characteristic surge past 4000 rpm. The lively, hydraulic-assisted steering wheel dances in my hands over the first ripples in the road.

The Subaru STI is the Labrador Retriever of quick cars: fun, kinda dim, lovable. When it was at war with the Lancer Evo, the Mitsu was always the sharper tarmac choice but occasionally left me cold. The STI drinks too much gas, farts a lot, and is always happiest when it’s rolling around in the mud. Like I said: a retriever.

  2017 Type R vs 2018 370Z vs 2018 STI © DW Burnett

Playing fetch with the Honda down the ribbon of two-lane, the STI feels a step or two behind the times. It doesn’t disguise its economy-car roots as well, with a too-high seating position and considerable body roll. The power disparity seems greater than the single horse indicated by the spec sheets, perhaps because the Honda’s underrated, but also because the Subaru’s 305 horses have to haul around an extra 399 pounds and turn an all-wheel-drive system. And the STI, despite having two extra drive wheels to work through, requires more patience on the throttle. It also wants to understeer more; trail braking is needed to get it to rotate.

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Despite all that, I’m happy behind the wheel. The STI loves to play rough. Lean hard on the brakes, which have been upgraded for the 2018 model, and let the all-wheel-drive system launch you out, pivoting on the outside rear tire.

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Toward evening, deputy editor David Zenlea and associate editor Kyle Kinard join us in a bug-spattered 370Z, having made a 13-hour trek from Road & Track headquarters in Ann Arbor. They don’t look fresh as daisies. Neither, despite its yellow plumage, does the car.

In the morning, I consider the Z more carefully. Dressed in Uma Thurman’s jumpsuit from Kill Bill, the Heritage Edition 370Z celebrates the 50th anniversary of the Z car with a decals-and-stripes package and exactly zero performance upgrades. And it’s only available on the volume-selling base car, which lacks the limited-slip differential and big brakes fitted on higher trims. It’s less an homage to the 240Z than a reprise of the overstyled, long-in-the tooth 280ZX of the late Seventies. Zenlea further expands on the choice.

“When Nissan PR looked for a 370Z to lend us, they found one in the press fleet. As in, just one. For the entire United States.”

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Neglected it may be, but as the lone sports car in our all-Nipponese knife fight, the somewhat under-equipped Z deserves some respect. Were this one of Akira Kurosawa’s golden-age samurai films, the Z would perhaps be played by a grumpy Toshirô Mifune, aged but still potent. I decide to start the day in the two-seater.

Look - or listen - past the 370Z’s unlovely VQ-series engine. The 332-hp, 3.7-liter V-6 is neither quick to rev nor particularly musical. Half the time, it sounds like it’s graduating from Bovine University. Even so, the Z can hang. Chasing Zenlea in the STI along a smooth creekside section of road, the Nissan flashes its traction-control warning every time I get too hasty with inputs. A smoother approach brings the speed to match the turbocharged Subaru.

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The more I drive the Z, the more I like it - though not as much as Kinard. The youngest pilot of our trio, at 28, Kinard should be busy Instagramming the Type R’s tri-tailpiped butt. Instead, we practically have to pry him out of the 370Z’s Motorola-era interior.

“I never feel more in the moment than when driving the Z,” Kinard enthuses. “The rear tires run out of grip before the fronts. It’s the balance I tune in to my own cars.”

The familiarity clearly brings pace. Hammering through fast sections in the STI, I look back to see the Z’s big, yellow, cartoonish mug filling the rearview. I expected the aging Z to fall flat on its face. Wrong.

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However, the day belongs to the Type R. “This car squashes dead all front-wheel-drive nay-saying,” Kinard opines. “It’s just the tightest, cleanest, simplest, easiest arc through every corner.”

Zenlea has praise for the tight gearbox and quick steering. “Those old, sweet Honda qualities keep you engaged even when you’re not pushing to ten-tenths.”

For me, the conclusion is even simpler. The Type R feels and is faster than its rivals. Whenever it leads the pack, it gaps the other two cars easily. In the wilderness of Quebec, the mighty Honda draws first blood.

  2017 Type R vs 2018 370Z vs 2018 STI © DW BurnettTHE TRACK

AUTODROME SAINT-EUSTACHE is a bumpy, 1.1-mile circuit established in the mid-Sixties and recently refurbished. We were invited here by Eric Kerub and his Motorsports in Action team, which uses the facility for development work on its two McLaren 570S GT4 racing machines.

MIA also builds the cars for Nissan’s Micra Cup, a one-make series based on a Canada-only ultra-cheap hatchback. When the Cup runs at Saint-Eustache, it’s like a wheeled interpretation of vicious single-celled combat inside a droplet of water. Perhaps a future Villeneuve will someday rise from the fray.

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In the meantime, we have Jean-François “J.F.” Dumoulin, experienced Formula Atlantic racing driver and two-tme Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona class winner. Despite being used to bespoilered racing machinery, J.F. cocks a bemused eye at the Type R’s conspicuous go-fast jewelry.

Morning rain has dampened the track, a traction penalty that should favor the STI over both the 370Z and the Type R. However, J.F.’s lap times set the podium order the same way the road did. The Honda laps the small track nearly three seconds quicker than the Subaru, five quicker than the Nissan.

J.F.’s consistency in the Type R is spooky, even considering the home-court advantage. Over three hot laps, he posts two times identical down to a thousandth of a second. As an experienced endurance racer, he’s full of praise for the Civic, noting its eagerness to turn in and how well its anti-lock-braking system is tuned for lapping in the wet. Later, I catch him justifying the car’s looks to some of MIA’s crew, explaining the way the Type R’s hood scoop directs air to the bulging fender vents. (The crew, mostly middle-aged guys, remain unconvinced. One of them privately tells me he thinks the Type R is the single ugliest car he’s ever seen.)

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As the misting rain subsides, we let all three cars loose on track. What we learned on the road is reinforced: The STI understeers, particularly through tight sections, where it gets little help from its all-wheel-drive system, but gets better the harder you hurl it at corners; the 370Z requires patience but also trusting the front wheels to grip. And the Type R just shreds everywhere. It comes out of the greasy hairpin several miles per hour faster than the other two, accelerates harder down the front straight, carries more speed into the sweeper, and puts down more power on the way out. Only through the chicane on the back straight does it lose any ground - the Z is more willing to rotate midcorner, and the STI claws its way out faster.

Toward the last few laps, I’m pinned to the 370Z’s bumper in the Type R, hanging close for a dramatic shot. Kinard, in the Nissan, is working hard to make speed, despite hot tires and fading brakes. In the Civic, shrinking the gap is just a matter of squeezing the throttle.

The Z shimmies under full braking, jinks to the right, then lays down a greasy little smear of a slide. The front tire just clips the edge of the track and spits a clod of dirt into the closely following Type R’s grille.

It feels half-insult and half-salute. The Z has managed to stay true to a bloodline that stretches back to the dawn of Japanese performance cars, but it is in its twilight. Just as Tsunetomo observed in his era, the time of the dedicated samurai is perhaps coming to an end.

  2017 Type R vs 2018 370Z vs 2018 STI © DW Burnett

IF YOU CONSIDER THESE VEHICLES to be not only combatants, but also bound together in a warrior brotherhood, then the Honda carries the clan crest forward. Neither the 370Z nor the STI can it for pace, either on track or the street. Their sashimonos do not yet touch the ground, but they recognize where the future lies.

Which is not to say that the two more grizzled fighters fought dishonorably. The 370Z, in particular, showed up with a rusty blade - without a Supra or an RX-9 to spur development, Nissan has been happy to invest elsewhere. Yet it held pace with the youngsters for the most part and would acquit itself even better given a skilled owner and a couple of bolt-on upgrades.

As for the STI, mark my words: When it is replaced, no doubt by something faster and higher-tech, we’ll miss this car. Yes, the EJ-series flat-four is old enough that Tsunetomo-san might have driven one, and yes, the STI has been making around 300 hp since Ja Rule was popular, but it’s an engine the aftermarket knows intimately. The hydraulic steering talks to you, and so, in its way, does the mechanical all-wheel drive. Even the Rubbermaid interior is part of the STI’s charm.

However, it’s the Type R that now leads the charge. If the Japanese car industry has to pick one machine to do battle with the likes of the ferocious Ford Focus RS and the jack-of-all-trades Volkswagen Golf R, this fierce little Civic is it. It manages to harness technology to overcome any handicap of its front-wheel-drive layout yet doesn’t isolate you from the road. It is quick in the hands of an amateur, a weapon in the hands of a pro.

Uma-jirushi: the commander’s flag, signifying not just one champion, but the leader of a battalion. The world masses to challenge Japan’s legacy of performance. Ugly as sin, fast as hell: The Civic Type R stands ready to defend the honor of the Land of the Rising Sun.

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